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065 - Alison Greenberg: What's in a Name?

Alison Greenberg is a naming expert, brand strategist, and verbal designer. As of 2023 Alison is the Co-Founder and CEO at RuthHealth. Previously she was Co-Founder and CEO of aflow, a conversational AI studio designing and building AI-powered, NLP-backed chat and voice assistant experiences. Over the past 12+ years, she's helped brands find their voice in the marketplace.

Alison’s branding and naming work includes brands + agencies: McCann, VSA Partners, Siegelvision, Elmwood, OpenIDEO, Edwards Lifesciences, Stryker, Summit Health/City MD, Pfizer, General Motors, McDonald's, Hungryroot, The Helm, Fidelity, Llamasoft + others. (Alison Greenberg- LinkedIn.)

Alison Greenberg, Co-Founder & CEO of RuthHealth, and brand naming expert and strategist. Twitter: @ALiS0NLAURA

Emily spoke with Alison about her approach to naming products and brands with a few great examples from fashion to CBD. Plus, should voice assistants have a gender? And what makes a good chatbot?

This episode has good old fashioned branding, voice and conversation design (VUI), startups and women creating cool products for women, and the keys to designing a great chat experience for your customers or audience.

Bottom line: Naming is the way that you take language and make it work for a brand. 

Topics & Timestamps

1:50: Alison shares her background and how she became involved with naming brands. 

2:15: Language is a currency and in any form of advertising, marketing, or branding it is the core piece of the craft. Naming is the most condensed way to apply language to a brand. Naming is the way that you take language and really put it to work for the brand it’s poetry, but it’s also a strategic execution of ideas.

3:35: Naming can be subjective, so how do you objectively define the success of a name?

3:50: You can’t decouple a name from what it represents. The naming doesn’t happen in a vacuum, but the success of a brand is mostly qualitative. Is it succinct? Does it telegraph meaning?

5:20: Successful names often stop us in our tracks. In B2B naming you don’t have much of an opportunity to do that, but it’s becoming easier to be creative and innovative with naming. 

6:00: Slack is a great example of this. It resonates with the user. People often say “slack it to me” or “slack me.” It’s simple and surprising: two criteria for a great name. 

6:55: There’s a science behind why names with harder consonants such as k and z. Experts in linguistics study sound symbolism, phonosemantics, and phonaesthesia: the idea that the way a word sounds have lexical meaning and meaning in the way that they sound. It’s all about the relationship between sound and meaning.

'Phonaesthesia occurs when certain sounds become associated with certain meanings, even though they do not attempt to imitate the sound (as in onomatopoeia). ' 'Phonaesthesia has been described as a type of conventional sound symbolism.

Women in Voice is building community for women in this new technology space. Alison is chapter founder of Women in Voice NY.

Women in Voice is building community for women in this new technology space. Alison is chapter founder of Women in Voice NY.

9:11: Often, brands run into legal problems when trying to establish a name to their brand. One such company that Alison worked with is Where Mountains Meet. Brand owners approached Alison after being hit with a cease and desist letter for the brand name they were originally using when launching their sustainable women’s clothing business. See more about Where Mountains Meet on their Instagram

11:05: calmbound is another female-owned business that Alison has worked with whose owners had a passion for language and creating a brand of CBD edibles curated with the proper dosage of CBD and available to people of all walks of life, i.e. veterans, elderly, etc. calmbound echoes the literal compound used in CBD, but also has a deeper meaning that resonates with the brand’s hope that users would be “calm bound” with their mental and physical health. See more about calmbound.

12:45: There is always a need for naming. Whether it’s podcasts or brands, the ability to be clear as well as memorable is a true art. -Alison Greenberg

14:25: Some of the most interesting perspectives can come from an intersectional and diverse background. When we’re thinking about voice, having a background in understanding the human element and how language and communication function on a level with human emotion is really helpful. 

15:30: Being brief and getting your message across concisely is key. Brevity goes beyond just the way you look at brand communication. It has to be done visually and verbally because we are constantly being bombarded with information. 

17:15: You don’t have a lot of real estate with voice. You have to use as few words as possible to get your message across.

Voice User Interfaces (VUI) are the primary or supplementary visual, auditory, and tactile interfaces that enable voice interaction between people and devices. A VUI can be anything from a light that blinks when it hears your voice to an car’s enter…

Voice User Interfaces (VUI) are the primary or supplementary visual, auditory, and tactile interfaces that enable voice interaction between people and devices. A VUI can be anything from a light that blinks when it hears your voice to an car’s entertainment console.

18:34: When you’re building a custom voice experience responding in the fewest amount of words while maintaining a personality and conversational flow is a balance that you have to strike. 

19:00: How do you bake the tone of the brand into pre-programmed chat responses while maintaining brevity? 

19:19: You need to remove the formalities and just focus on conversation with chat. Telegraph meaning and utility. The whole point of a chatbot is to get something accomplished. -Alison Greenberg

20:35: Make sure that your chatbot voice is honoring that brand. A beauty brand might use emojis while an insurance brand would be establishing trust. 

22:10: Bots and voice should use language to be solution creators, not just problem solvers. 

23:10: Make it known that a chatbot is being used from the beginning. The BOT bill (Senate bill 1001) in California makes it illegal for bots to pretend to be humans online. 

24:30: Considering gender with virtual assistants: The term virtual assistant is a better term for a chatbot. Using the first person plural can be a good way to stay gender-neutral. 

25:40: There is no reason to give a bot a gender unless it’s strategic. For example, the brand Swoobie’s target customer is a female, so it makes sense for their voice and chatbot to take a female gender. In financial services, it doesn’t matter.

27:45: Staying gender-neutral with voice can be tricky. 

28:48: Female topics can often be taboo, but some brands in femtech and sextech are starting the conversation around them: Lola, Cora, etc. Chatbots allow for these topics on women’s healthcare to be explored in an environment that feels safe and non-judgmental.
30:21: Book recommendation: Questions of negotiation are really common in the voice industry, especially for women. Alison recommends “Getting More” by Stuart Diamond.

061 - Dr. Daniel Crosby: Boating and Selfies Are Dangerous, Investing Is Not

Do you know the biggest misconception about investing? New York Times best selling author Dr. Daniel Crosby joined Emily Binder to talk about the psychology of money. Many investors are mistaken that success in the markets is about being analytically minded, but it’s actually more about self control.

So yes, C.R.E.A.M., but emotion rules cash. Daniel shares the three legs of effective investing and why education alone isn’t enough to save us from investing mistakes or weight gain. (Yes, the two are linked.)

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Daniel Crosby, Ph.D is author of The Behavior Investor and host of Standard Deviations

Daniel Crosby, Ph.D is author of The Behavior Investor and host of Standard Deviations

Guest: Dr. Daniel Crosby is an Atlanta based psychologist and behavioral finance expert who helps organizations understand the intersection of mind and markets. A New York Times bestselling author, his most recent book is The Behavioral Investor. Dr. Crosby is Chief Behavioral Officer at Brinker Capital.

Timestamps and topics:

02:00 Daniel’s background: trained in clinical psychology then searched for non-clinical applications of psychology, stumbled on behavioral finance: the intersection of the mind and the markets

02:50 What do people most misunderstand about investing and their money?

03:20 “My business is full of human behavior” -Daniel’s father, a financial advisor for forty years

4:00 Many people think that success in the markets is about being analytically minded… when in reality the most successful investors have one thing in common: being able to control their own emotions. See Buffett.

4:15 It’s quite easy to be okay or good at investing

04:40 Cognitive errors

The Behavioral Investor
By Crosby, Doctor Daniel
Buy on Amazon

05:00 Our brain is wired to keep us alive long enough to pass on our genes, not to achieve excellence

05:25 The ways our brains betray us and hurt our investing: Our ego (especially a problem for men: see Consider Firing Your Male Broker by Blair duQuesnay), emotion, conservatism, and attention (tendency to confuse what’s easy to recall vs. what is probable)

Taking selfies is riskier than investing.

Taking selfies is riskier than investing.

06:20 Example of attention leading us astray: People are very afraid of sharks but not of taking selfies, even though the latter has a higher death rate. Attentional bias for the vivid.

07:13 People think investing is risky even though over any given fifteen year period in history you couldn’t have lost money while invested in the general stock market

07:30 Multi-asset class diversified investing is much safer than, for example, taking selfies or boating, but we don’t perceive it this way

Boating is riskier than investing.

Boating is riskier than investing.

08:20 We tend not to answer the complicated question but to substitute: so we ask, “is this enjoyable?” And investing isn’t fun, but boating is fun. So instead of answering “is this risky?” we answer the question “is this enjoyable?” And then boating seems safer than investing.

10:25 It’s more complicated than just having an advisor help you.

The three legs of good investment decision making:

  1. Education: learn about stocks, bonds, accounts

  2. Environment: your portfolio - well-diversified that won’t scare you to death

  3. Encouragement: good advisors to slap the bad decision out of your hand before you make it

11:00 Self-control parallels to diet and exercise: know what to eat, don’t have junk in the pantry, have a trainer or workout buddy to get you in the gym (apply these analogies to investing)

11:20 We added nutrimental information and calorie labels to food but we are actually twice as obese now - behavior change takes much more than just education

12:00 We want to think that we’re rational but information/education is a weak predictor of behavior change (nutrition labels alone don’t change our behavior)

13:25 For the same reasons that we’re fat, we’re poor. It’s complicated information, and it’s just information alone, which is ineffective (see the three legs). There’s a cottage industry of selling complexity.

Our tweet storm - what do people misunderstand about investing?:

14:00 Are people more empowered to manage their money now with technology and more transparency? Are we on a better path to managing our money better now that we’ve gotten away from old school stock brokers dialing for dollars and manipulating our emotions?

15:00 There’s never been a better time to be an individual investor, yet things we think we want like transparency and liquidity can hurt us. E.g. the more you check your account, the more it induces action, panic, and mistakes.

You’ve probably heard of the famous Fidelity study which showed that investors who had forgotten their account passwords performed better than ones who logged in and traded actively.

16:00 Across 19 different countries, the more active people are with trading, the worse their portfolios tend to perform.

17:15 People need financial advisors, but not for the reason they think.

18:00 Emily mentioned this quote from Stephanie Bogan on Patrick Brewer’s podcast, The Model FA: “When people come into your office to talk about their money, they’re never really talking about their money."

19:00 Literally nothing has more excitatory power in the brain than money - not sex, not death, not anything else.

19:40 Daniel has a strong Twitter presence, is great at marketing himself, and at making his ideas accessible: what is his strategy?

20:35 Daniel’s long term plan: put positive messages into the world and study happiness

21:30 Daniel’s podcast recommendations:

  1. Dateline NBC Podcast - listen on Spotify

  2. Ologies Podcast - study of different sciences

  3. The Pitch (“Shark Tank" for your ears”)

  4. Philosophize This

  5. Standard Deviations (Daniel’s podcast) - Emily’s favorite episodes:

    1. The Four Pillars of Investor Psychology

    2. Brett McKay - The Art of Manliness

24:00 Daniel’s book recommendations:

He is writing a book on the meaning of life, so he is reading about this. Best one he read last year: Alchemy by Rory Sutherland (Ogilvy guy) - great book for anyone into marketing. Topic: behavioral economics and applying psychology to marketing.

Connect with Daniel Crosby:

Twitter: @danielcrosby

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058 - Amy Summers. Voice: A Faster Way to Publish

Writing a book has long been considered a rite of passage in establishing industry authority and a personal brand. Books are powerful. But the traditional publishing industry moves slowly and leaves much to be desired for writers without time to spare or whose content is time sensitive. How can voice technology establish a platform and thought leadership faster - and maybe even better?

Amy Summers shares her experiment of creating an Alexa Flash Briefing instead of writing a book. The results may surprise you.

Flash Briefing Beat Writing a Book

If it’s really just about getting information out there, why does it have to be this slow?
— Amy Summers

Amy Summers is President of Pitch Publicity in New York. Amy launched her company in 2003 and over 20 years her campaigns have resulted in billions of media impressions worldwide. She produces one of the highest ranked Alexa Flash Briefings about PR, management, and communications, The Pitch with Amy Summers.

The Pitch is a Flash Briefing about PR and communications

The Pitch is a Flash Briefing about PR and communications

Amy Summers launched Pitch Publicity in 2003, in the face of a rapidly changing climate for communication and media relations. She has 20 years of experience in securing publicity and developing communication strategies for influential experts in medicine, science, tech, finance and international corporations and nonprofit organizations.

Summers’ campaigns have resulted in billions of media impressions worldwide and she’s credited as the first to strategize live media interviews at both the deepest and highest points of the planet (scientific laboratory, 63 feet beneath the sea and Mount Everest summit, 21,000 feet above sea level).

Topics:

  • How is the book publishing industry behind the times?

  • What can go wrong with a book deal?

  • Why didn’t Amy write a book?

  • How Amy established a platform for herself as a PR and communications expert on a new medium (voice) using Alexa Flash Briefing

  • People assume that Amy has written a book - hear why!

  • What advice Amy gives clients who want to write a book

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030 - How to Ask for a Business Introduction: Avoid These Mistakes

Introductions make the business world go round. But remember that every favor is a withdrawal from any relationship’s bank account. Handle these correctly and you’ll score the valuable introductions that you want and deserve.

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Networking tip: every request for an introduction should include two things: a blurb to paste and an easy out.

Networking tip: every request for an introduction should include two things: a blurb to paste and an easy out.

Timestamps:

2:20 Skip the weather and generic pleasantries: personalize

2:40 Sample introduction request to Susan

3:02 It’s okay that it’s one-sided sometimes

3:15 Don't sound entitled 

3:37 People love the power of saying “no"

4:05 Book: Never Split the Difference by Chris Voss - click to order on Amazon. Excellent negotiation manual (thanks for the rec, Mitch Joel)

4:44 Include two things: 

  1. A copy/paste blurb about you so they don’t have to write it

  2. An easy out:

5:17: The easy out (zero-guilt escape): Say, “I would appreciate the intro if possible but if you can’t, no problem and thank you in advance.”

5:34 Don’t seem beholden to the outcome so no one will feel trapped. Give everyone involved room to escape (to say no, escaping what can feel like homework). Then they’ll feel better about not escaping and give willingly by choice. This is the power of “no” being perceived as a totally acceptable reply.

5:45 Realize that you called in a favor (whether you are the requester or the introducer)

6:30 This is a withdrawal from a relationship bank account for the requester and for the introducer