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066 - Audrey Hall: From Cash to Fintech - Brightwell

The Southeast Asian region’s internet economy has hit a key milestone, reaching $100 billion in market capitalization for the first time in 2019. This represents a 39% increase from the previous year. Money is moving in and out of this region in ways never before seen.

Audrey Hall is SVP, Product and Marketing at Brightwell, one of Atlanta’s fastest growing fintech companies

Audrey Hall is SVP, Product and Marketing at Brightwell, one of Atlanta’s fastest growing fintech companies

Audrey and Emily talked about Audrey’s mission at Brightwell, a payments technology company whose fintech solutions serve seafarers on the world’s major cruise Iines including Carnival, Norwegian, and more. We talked about the war on cash in the US and abroad, combatting fraud, and how Brightwell approaches educating users who are mostly unbanked or underbanked. Plus, the relationship between product and marketing.

Audrey Hall

is SVP of Product and Marketing at Brightwell, where she is focused on building financial products that transform global workers’ lives. Previously, Audrey served as VP of Client Strategy at 352, Inc.

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“Our purpose really is to help these underbanked, underserved communities who deserve the same access to the tools that we all have. That they are included in this financial world where You can have your dreams be possible by savings, by thinking about budgeting.” - Audrey Hall

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TOPICS & TIMESTAMPS

1:39 Meet Emily’s guest, Audrey Hall

2:05: What does Brightwell do? 

2:34: Brightwell is a fintech company out of Atlanta. They create financial technology products that serve the specific needs of migrant workers. Strong focus in the maritime industry. They help people send money home to their families and join the digital economy. Digital and financial inclusion.

“When we looked at payments in the cruise industry, it was kind of archaic.”

3:24: On-ship payroll payments are often done in cash. It’s risky and not cost-efficient. Brightwell offers a solution and serves people from 140 different countries around the world. 

4:50: Brightwell’s clients include seafarers on cruise lines such as Norwegian, Carnival, Princess, Aida, Costa and more. 

“The digital economy at large is something we’ve come to expect in the Western world.” - Audrey Hall

5:50: 2 billion people today are unbanked globally

6:05: These users offer tremendous opportunities for financial and corporate expansion, but their needs are unique and are impacted by language barriers, B2C interactions, education levels, and more

6:50: Build trust and empathy with various user groups

7:55: How do ATMs play a part in all this? ATM use is complicated and sometimes risky.

8:50: People are drawn to hard currency and the physicality of cash. Brightwell tries to help users understand why digital funds can be safer for them and their families, while respecting the ways that cash is still important for certain use cases and cultures.

9:25: Countries like Sweden are going cashless. 30% of Americans don’t use any cash in a given week.

9:40: Cash vs Digital. What are the pros and cons of each? How do you manage risk?

11:00: We’re more hesitant to offer up personal information (especially PII) these days. Companies like Brightwell work hard to ensure digital users are protected but fraud is rampant.

12:30: Real talk: Fraud can impact user experience and brand reputation. How do you deal with that? 

“It’s something we will continue to iterate on and find new ways to educate users on.” “Yeah they are going to blame us, but it’s our responsibility to take care of them and make their experience the best it can be.” - Audrey Hall

14:34: Companies should be the guide, not the hero. Base your marketing and messaging around this guiding principle. It’s all about servicing the person who is using your product. 

Each person who works at Brightwell is bought into their core principle and aims to put the user experience first.

Each person who works at Brightwell is bought into their core principle and aims to put the user experience first.

15:05: Brightwell’s core principle: user first. 

16:50: What is the difference between unbanked and underbanked? In the U.S. there are 55 million unbanked individuals

17:37: People depend on cash and keeping those systems in place is equally important as educating them on digital banking services. 

18:19: How has Brightwell transformed itself in the last few years? Adopting more of a startup mindset.

19:20: Product testing: Brightwell works to understand the language and flow that would resonate most with clients based on their one-on-one user experience testing on prototypes (e.g. payment app Brightwell Navigator on Android and iOS)

19:50: “Focus groups are not your friend!”

21:17: Your product and marketing departments should be in constant communication. It will help you find the “why” behind your products. Collaboration is key. 

22:00: What’s next for Brightwell and Audrey?

23:23: Brightwell is launching in the Philippines this year with a physical location.

26:00: Each year Brightwell is iterating and growing. Everyone there is committed to the purpose of the organization.

Audrey’s podcast recommendations: Reply All podcast episode 102 “Long Distance” and 103 “Long Distance, Part II.” It focuses on fraudsters like tech support scams based, suspicious callers, etc, and takes you behind the scenes as they track down an Indian call center that is scamming people. 

Connect with Audrey Hall on LinkedIn and Twitter: @ansianko

Learn more about Brightwell and follow @BrightwellApp on social.

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065 - Alison Greenberg: What's in a Name?

Alison Greenberg is a naming expert, brand strategist, and verbal designer. As of 2023 Alison is the Co-Founder and CEO at RuthHealth. Previously she was Co-Founder and CEO of aflow, a conversational AI studio designing and building AI-powered, NLP-backed chat and voice assistant experiences. Over the past 12+ years, she's helped brands find their voice in the marketplace.

Alison’s branding and naming work includes brands + agencies: McCann, VSA Partners, Siegelvision, Elmwood, OpenIDEO, Edwards Lifesciences, Stryker, Summit Health/City MD, Pfizer, General Motors, McDonald's, Hungryroot, The Helm, Fidelity, Llamasoft + others. (Alison Greenberg- LinkedIn.)

Alison Greenberg, Co-Founder & CEO of RuthHealth, and brand naming expert and strategist. Twitter: @ALiS0NLAURA

Emily spoke with Alison about her approach to naming products and brands with a few great examples from fashion to CBD. Plus, should voice assistants have a gender? And what makes a good chatbot?

This episode has good old fashioned branding, voice and conversation design (VUI), startups and women creating cool products for women, and the keys to designing a great chat experience for your customers or audience.

Bottom line: Naming is the way that you take language and make it work for a brand. 

Topics & Timestamps

1:50: Alison shares her background and how she became involved with naming brands. 

2:15: Language is a currency and in any form of advertising, marketing, or branding it is the core piece of the craft. Naming is the most condensed way to apply language to a brand. Naming is the way that you take language and really put it to work for the brand it’s poetry, but it’s also a strategic execution of ideas.

3:35: Naming can be subjective, so how do you objectively define the success of a name?

3:50: You can’t decouple a name from what it represents. The naming doesn’t happen in a vacuum, but the success of a brand is mostly qualitative. Is it succinct? Does it telegraph meaning?

5:20: Successful names often stop us in our tracks. In B2B naming you don’t have much of an opportunity to do that, but it’s becoming easier to be creative and innovative with naming. 

6:00: Slack is a great example of this. It resonates with the user. People often say “slack it to me” or “slack me.” It’s simple and surprising: two criteria for a great name. 

6:55: There’s a science behind why names with harder consonants such as k and z. Experts in linguistics study sound symbolism, phonosemantics, and phonaesthesia: the idea that the way a word sounds have lexical meaning and meaning in the way that they sound. It’s all about the relationship between sound and meaning.

'Phonaesthesia occurs when certain sounds become associated with certain meanings, even though they do not attempt to imitate the sound (as in onomatopoeia). ' 'Phonaesthesia has been described as a type of conventional sound symbolism.

Women in Voice is building community for women in this new technology space. Alison is chapter founder of Women in Voice NY.

Women in Voice is building community for women in this new technology space. Alison is chapter founder of Women in Voice NY.

9:11: Often, brands run into legal problems when trying to establish a name to their brand. One such company that Alison worked with is Where Mountains Meet. Brand owners approached Alison after being hit with a cease and desist letter for the brand name they were originally using when launching their sustainable women’s clothing business. See more about Where Mountains Meet on their Instagram

11:05: calmbound is another female-owned business that Alison has worked with whose owners had a passion for language and creating a brand of CBD edibles curated with the proper dosage of CBD and available to people of all walks of life, i.e. veterans, elderly, etc. calmbound echoes the literal compound used in CBD, but also has a deeper meaning that resonates with the brand’s hope that users would be “calm bound” with their mental and physical health. See more about calmbound.

12:45: There is always a need for naming. Whether it’s podcasts or brands, the ability to be clear as well as memorable is a true art. -Alison Greenberg

14:25: Some of the most interesting perspectives can come from an intersectional and diverse background. When we’re thinking about voice, having a background in understanding the human element and how language and communication function on a level with human emotion is really helpful. 

15:30: Being brief and getting your message across concisely is key. Brevity goes beyond just the way you look at brand communication. It has to be done visually and verbally because we are constantly being bombarded with information. 

17:15: You don’t have a lot of real estate with voice. You have to use as few words as possible to get your message across.

Voice User Interfaces (VUI) are the primary or supplementary visual, auditory, and tactile interfaces that enable voice interaction between people and devices. A VUI can be anything from a light that blinks when it hears your voice to an car’s enter…

Voice User Interfaces (VUI) are the primary or supplementary visual, auditory, and tactile interfaces that enable voice interaction between people and devices. A VUI can be anything from a light that blinks when it hears your voice to an car’s entertainment console.

18:34: When you’re building a custom voice experience responding in the fewest amount of words while maintaining a personality and conversational flow is a balance that you have to strike. 

19:00: How do you bake the tone of the brand into pre-programmed chat responses while maintaining brevity? 

19:19: You need to remove the formalities and just focus on conversation with chat. Telegraph meaning and utility. The whole point of a chatbot is to get something accomplished. -Alison Greenberg

20:35: Make sure that your chatbot voice is honoring that brand. A beauty brand might use emojis while an insurance brand would be establishing trust. 

22:10: Bots and voice should use language to be solution creators, not just problem solvers. 

23:10: Make it known that a chatbot is being used from the beginning. The BOT bill (Senate bill 1001) in California makes it illegal for bots to pretend to be humans online. 

24:30: Considering gender with virtual assistants: The term virtual assistant is a better term for a chatbot. Using the first person plural can be a good way to stay gender-neutral. 

25:40: There is no reason to give a bot a gender unless it’s strategic. For example, the brand Swoobie’s target customer is a female, so it makes sense for their voice and chatbot to take a female gender. In financial services, it doesn’t matter.

27:45: Staying gender-neutral with voice can be tricky. 

28:48: Female topics can often be taboo, but some brands in femtech and sextech are starting the conversation around them: Lola, Cora, etc. Chatbots allow for these topics on women’s healthcare to be explored in an environment that feels safe and non-judgmental.
30:21: Book recommendation: Questions of negotiation are really common in the voice industry, especially for women. Alison recommends “Getting More” by Stuart Diamond.

046 - How NLP Improves Your Communication and Marketing - Corina Frankie

NLP skills enhance your communication, performance, and relationships. How can we apply these principles to designing voice applications and marketing?

#Voicefirst terminology note: when we say “NLP skills” in this episode, we are not referring to natural language processing or Alexa skills, unless specified.

Corina and Emily discuss Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) in relation to two applications:

  1. From an introspective or self improvement lens, NLP can help you update the operating system of the mind to be more effective in communicating especially in business and sales.

  2. From a marketing and voice technology perspective, a deep dive into language processing is paramount to build effective voice experiences for consumers. As we design more experiences based on voice with assistants like Alexa, Google, Siri, and Bixby, marketers and designers have to harness the power of language more effectively than ever.

Corina Frankie, CEO & Founder of Brand Besties and Certified NLP Coach

Corina Frankie, CEO & Founder of Brand Besties and Certified NLP Coach

Show notes and timestamps:

  • 02:25 “NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming) is collection of practical techniques, skills, and strategies that lead to excellence.” -Corina

  • NLP helps businesses align their values and organization to build rapport with clients and staff and better understand needs and motivations of their customers

  • 03:45 Effective questions lead someone to the answer they may already have

  • 04:10 Language matters - how we communicate and interact with ourselves and others

  • 04:30 NLP helps us understand how the brain works: how do we process information on the inside that comes to us from outside events or experiences? The internal representations we make about an outside event are not the event itself.

  • 05:00 What does it mean if your boss gives you more work than your coworkers? The internal representation (processing) is not necessarily the reality of the event.

  • 06:00 How do we create the thinking we have? Where are customers, clients, and staff coming from in specific situations?

  • 06:20 How do we get someone to want to buy something?

Corina Frankie is a speaker and coach based in Austin, Texas. She specializes in NLP training.

Corina Frankie is a speaker and coach based in Austin, Texas. She specializes in NLP training.

  • 06:40 Everyone has a pain or need. A business tries to solve it. But everyone sees their pain differently.

  • 07:00 Car buying example: do you see, hear, or learn about the car by grasping it?

  • 07:20 Visual, auditory, or kinesthetic apply to a buying decision - are you applying these across messaging to align with your customer?

  • 08:00 Mismatch of enthusiasm and energy (current model of someone’s world) is jarring and can ruin a sale or negotiation

  • 08:40 We are hardwired to mirror each other - this helps

  • 10:00 With Alexa skills or Google actions and other voice apps brands need a consistent, holistic sonic identity to match the rest of their positioning

  • 11:00 NLP 4-Mat System:

    The basic premise of the 4-Mat system is that we all have different learning styles. Some people are motivated by Why? questions. They want to know why they are listening to this talk. Others by What? questions; they want information…and probably lots of it! The How? people want to get on and do an exercise, get their hands on it and try it. Then there are the What if? people who want to know how this material applies to their life, workplace or environment.

  • 12:10 The Charisma Pattern plays on kinesthetic, visual, and auditory pattern) - with a voice skill, how do you create a feeling or experience with the way you speak?

  • 13:20 Corina demonstrates slowing down and dropping her voice- like the recommendation for the late night FM radio DJ voice from Never Split the Difference by Chris Voss (highly recommend this book! Click here to order on Amazon.)

  • 14:02 People will tell you their primary representational system if you just listen to their language - pay attention to predicates and verbs people use

  • 14:45-16:04 Corina asks clients their vision for an experience she will create with Brand Besties - she listens for their predicates to find out if they are visual or kinesthetic so she can close the sale by speaking their language, e.g. “Picture this…” vs “How does this feel?…”

  • 16:20 Feeling predicates sheet (PDF)

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